Szerintetek mi van a halál után? Többi lent

"Az a többi esetre vonatkozik, hogy nem volt mód bizonyítani, mert nem álltak rendelkezésre a polcok, de ebben az esetben sikerült bizonyítani ettől függetlenül is."

Nem, ez tárgyi tévedés. Konkrétan le van írva, hogy nem voltak polcok.

"As both CA events had occurred in non-acute areas without shelves further analysis of the accuracy of VA based on the ability to visualize the images above or below the shelf was not possible."

"Csak a nővérrel beszélt, senki mással nem beszélt. A dokival nem beszélt. Ha beszélt volna, akkor nyilván értelmetlenség az esetét feldolgozni."

Nem értelmetlenség, ugyanis fontos tudományos tapasztalat. Ez a kutatás előtt ugyanis azt hitték, hogy az ember agyműködése a szívleállás után max 30mp-cel leáll, ez a kutatás azonban bebizonyította, hogy még 3 perccel a szívleállás után is érzékel a páciens.

"A polcoktól függetlenül is lehet bizonyítani, a polcokat csak a kutatók tették oda, hogy megkönnyítsék a munkájukat, de a polcok hiányától függetlenül az 57 éves páciens látta, amit nem láthatott."

De mi a fenéről beszélsz egyáltalán? Egy az egyben le van írva a kutatás szövegében ez az állítás. Semmilyen polcot nem raktak oda, semmilyen testelhagyás nem nyert bizonyítást. Hol látsz te ebben a szövegben bármi erre utalót?

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De direkt ezért be is másoltam a szöveget, amiben arról van szó, hogy semmiféle polcok nem voltak. "As both CA events had occurred in non-acute areas without shelves further analysis of the accuracy of VA based on the ability to visualize the images above or below the shelf was not possible."

"beszámolt más olyan dolgokról, amiről szintén nem tudott volna beszámolni."

Ilyen sajnos nem szerepel a tanulmányban. Ha igen, azt kérném, idézd szó szerint az eredeti szövegből, másold ki azt a részletet, ahol ilyet írnak, hogy ő olyat tudott, amiről nem tudhatott volna...

Azért tudta elmondani, mert ismerte a körülményeket, ismerte a helyzetet, egyébként pedig hallotta, ami történik. Tényleg kíváncsi vagyok, hol találsz a tanulmányban ettől eltérő információt, azért kérem, hogy másold be abból.

Ezt már bemásoltam egyszer. One was unable to follow up due to ill health. The other, a

57 year old man described the perception of observing events from

the top corner of the room and continued to experience a sensa-

tion of looking down from above. He accurately described people,

sounds, and activities from his resuscitation (Table 2 provides

quotes from this interview). His medical records corroborated his

accounts and specifically supported his descriptions and the use of

an automated external defibrillator (AED). Based on current AED

algorithms, this likely corresponded with up to 3 min of conscious

awareness during CA and CPR.2 As both CA events had occurred in

non-acute areas without shelves further analysis of the accuracy of

VA based on the ability to visualize the images above or below the

shelf was not possible. Despite the installation of approximately

Both were contacted for further in-depth

interviews to verify their experiences against documented CA

events. One was unable to follow up due to ill health. The other, a

57 year old man described the perception of observing events from

the top corner of the room and continued to experience a sensa-

tion of looking down from above. He accurately described people,

sounds, and activities from his resuscitation (Table 2 provides

quotes from this interview). His medical records corroborated his

accounts and specifically supported his descriptions and the use of

an automated external defibrillator (AED). Based on current AED

algorithms, this likely corresponded with up to 3 min of conscious

awareness during CA and CPR.2 As both CA events had occurred in

non-acute areas without shelves further analysis of the accuracy of

VA based on the ability to visualize the images above or below the

shelf was not possible.

God sent (me) back, it was

not (my) time—(I) had many things to do. . .(I traveled) through a tunnel

toward a very strong light, which didn’t dazzle or hurt (my) eyes. . .there

were other people in the tunnel whom (I) did not recognize. When (I)

emerged (I) described a very beautiful crystal city. . . there was a river

that ran through the middle of the city (with) the most crystal clear

waters. There were many people, without faces, who were washing in

the waters. . .the people were very beautiful. . . there was the most

beautiful singing. . .(and I was) moved to tears. (My) next recollection

was looking up at a doctor doing chest compressions”.

Category 5 recollections

Recollection # 1

(Before the cardiac arrest) “I was answering (the nurse), but I could also

feel a real hard pressure on my groin. I could feel the pressure, couldn’t

feel the pain or anything like that, just real hard pressure, like someone

was really pushing down on me. And I was still talking to (the nurse) and

then all of a sudden, I wasn’t. I must have (blanked out). . ..but then I can

remember vividly an automated voice saying, “shock the patient, shock

the patient,” and with that, up in (the) corner of the room there was a

(woman) beckoning me. . .I can remember thinking to myself, “I can’t get

up there”. . .she beckoned me. . . I felt that she knew me, I felt that I

could trust her, and I felt she was there for a reason and I didn’t know

what that was. . .and the next second, I was up there, looking down at

me, the nurse, and another man who had a bald head. . .I couldn’t see his

face but I could see the back of his body. He was quite a chunky fella. . .

He had blue scrubs on, and he had a blue hat, but I could tell he didn’t

have any hair, because of where the hat was.

The next thing I remember is waking up on (the) bed. And (the nurse) said

to me: “Oh you nodded off. . .you are back with us now.” Whether she

said those words, whether that automated voice really happened, I don’t

know. . .. I can remember feeling quite euphoric. . .

I know who (the man with the blue had was). . .I (didn’t) know his full

name, but. . .he was the man that. . .(I saw) the next day. . .I saw this

man [come to visit me] and I knew who I had seen the day before.”

Post-script – Medical record review confirmed the use of the AED, the

medical team present during the cardiac arrest and the role the

identified “man” played in responding to the cardiac arrest.

Recollection # 2

“At the beginning, I think, I heard the nurse say ‘dial 444 cardiac arrest’. I

felt scared. I was on the ceiling looking down. I saw a nurse that I did not

know beforehand who I saw after the event. I could see my body and

saw everything at once. I saw my blood pressure being taken whilst the

doctor was putting something down my throat. I saw a nurse pumping

on my chest. . .I saw blood gases and blood sugar levels being taken.

És akkor is leírtam, hogy az, hogy valaki azt állítja, hogy látott egy folyót, és hogy Isten visszaküldte, nem jelenti azt, hogy ez meg is történt. Még akkor sem, ha az illető tényleg valósnak véli. Ez lenne a bizonyíték a halál utáni életre?

Vagy az, hogy olyan dogokat hallucinált, melyeket előtte látott?

Azt mondd már meg, ha szerinted ez a kutatás bizonyította a halál utáni életet, illetve a megvalósult testen kívüli észlelést, akkor miért nincs ott a 6 soros összefoglalóban? Hisz a konklúzióban mindössze arról írnak, hogy az emberi agy tovább üzemel, mint azt korábban hitték. Miért nincs ott szó ezekről, amiket te újságcikkek alapján belemagyarázol?