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A Trónok harcában Daenerys milyen jóslatot kap? Visszakeresném a könyvben de fogalmam sincs merre találom. :S

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Aki tudja esetleg leírná az oldalt ahol a jóslatot elmondják?

2013. ápr. 14. 19:17
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 41/45 anonim ***** válasza:
Amúgy Gendry és Szikla Mia is idősebbek Viharos Edricnél, ha már Robert fattyainál tartunk, de nekik nem lehet trónigényük mert nem törvényes születésűek. Nem hiszem hogy egy házasság Dany és Aegon közt működne. Dany nem az az alkalmazkodó fajta mindig annak kell lennie amit ő akar.
2013. máj. 11. 22:01
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 42/45 anonim ***** válasza:

Még jó, hogy annak kell lennie, mivel ő úgy tudja, ő a törvényes örökös, ráadásul nő, ha kicsit is megingana, akkor fuccs az egésznek, amiért eddig szenvedett. "Ha hátra nézek, elvesztem."

Én azt a hosszú jóslatot olvasnám újra, pontosabban azt a látomás-szerűségét, de egyébként ez a sorozat zseniális, nagyon sokat olvastam már életemben, de még egy ilyen fordulatos, kiszámíthatatlan, mégis logikus könyvet nem sűrűn vehettem a kezembe. Ráadásul tele van politikával, és mégsem unalmas. :D Nagyon kíváncsi, mit fog kihozni a végén ez a szadista író a sztoriból. :D

2013. máj. 12. 00:07
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 43/45 A kérdező kommentje:
Hát igen:D Én mindig azon röhögök hogy soha senki nem tudja biztosra az infókat ,aztán tervezgetnek felkeléseket,árulásokat és soha nem tudja az ember hogyan fognak belőle kijönni.Példának okáért mikor Ramsay azt hiszi Aryat vette el közben Fehérrévben pedig Davos megbízzák hogy hozza el neki stb.:D Hatalmas sztori
2013. máj. 12. 12:48
 44/45 anonim ***** válasza:

Nem tudom mennyire tudsz angolul, de itt van a teljes prófécia, levezetve lehetséges válaszokkal :)


In Dany’s trip to the House of the Undying, she hears and sees many things. Some are prophetic, some reflections of her past, some futures that will never be. Let’s take a look, from quotes on pages 700-707.


In one room, a beautiful woman sprawled naked on the floor while four little men crawled over her...One was pumping between her thighs. Another savaged her breasts, worrying at the nipples with his red wet mouth, tearing and chewing.


This is commonly believed to represent the beautiful continent of Westeros, being savaged and raped by the four remaining kings who are fighting over it. (Renly is dead at this time.)


Farther on she came upon a feast of corpses. Savagely slaughtered, the feasters lay strewn across overturned chairs and hacked trestle tables, asprawl in pools of congealing blood. Some had lost limbs, even heads. Savaged limbs clutched bloody cups, wooden spoons, roast fowl, heels of bread. On a throne above them sat a dead man with the head of a wolf. He wore an iron crown and held a leg of lamb in one hand as a king might hold a scepter, and his eyes followed Dany with mute appeal.


This pretty much describes the Red Wedding. The man with the wolf’s head and the iron crown is Robb, depicting how the Freys sewed Grey Wind’s head on his body.


I know this room, she thought. She remembered those great wooden beams and the carved animal faces that adorned them. And there outside the window, a lemon tree!


This is the house in Braavos that Dany and Viserys lived with Ser Willem Darry.


Beyond loomed a cavernous stone hall, the largest she had seen. The skulls of dead dragons looked down from its walls.Upon a towering barbed throne sat an old man in rich robes, an old man with dark eyes and long silver-gray hair. “Let him be king over charred bones and cooked meat,” he said to a man below him. “Let him be the king of ashes.”


This is Aerys, commanding Rossart to light King’s Landing with wildfire--the scene that Jaime describes to Brienne is SoS.


The man had her brother’s hair, but he was taller, and his eyes were a dark indigo rather than lilac. “Aegon,” he said to a woman nursing a newborn babe in a great wooden bed. “What better name for a king?”


“Will you make a song for him?” the woman asked.


“He has a song,” the man replied. “He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.” He looked up when he said it and his eyes met Dany, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door. “There must be one more,” he said, though whether he was speaking to her or the woman in bed she could not say. “The dragon has three heads.”


The man is Rhaegar, the woman Elia, the baby Aegon. This is an interesting scene, as it seems that Rhaegar knows some sort of prophecy about the prince that was promised and a dragon with three heads. Rhaegar seems to believe that two heads were his children Rhaenys and Aegon, but it seems that he was mistaken, as Rhaenys was certainly killed, and Aegon most likely was as well. The ‘song of ice and fire’ is equally mysterious, probably part of the prophecy that Rhaegar discovered.


That ‘the dragon has three heads’ is accepted to mean that Dany will have two others who will ride their dragons along side her. Some of the candidates that have been put forth include Tyrion, due to his love of dragons; Bran, due to his crippled ability; and Jon, due to the fact that he may very well be a Targaryen. (See “Who Are Jon Snow’s Parents?”)


...mother of dragons...child of three...three heads has the dragon...mother of dragons...child of storm...


‘Three heads has the dragon’ is the same thing that Rhaegar stated above. The ‘mother of dragons’ is obvious. ‘Child of storm’ refers to the storm in which Dany was born. The ‘child of three’ is a bit obtuse. It could refer to the fact that she was ‘reborn’ with her three dragons, or merely about the collection of trios that are listed below:


...three fires must you light...one for life and one for death and one to love...


The first fire was obviously when Dany lit Drogo’s funeral pyre and gave life to her dragons. The fire for death could possibly refer to the fact that Drogon burned the Undying Ones and gave them death, but this is uncertain. It also could mean using dragonfire to bring death to the Others. The fire to love is even less certain. (Note that it is to love, not for love). Perhaps she will light a fire to kill her enemies, or the Others, and she will love it.


...three mounts must you ride...one to bed and one to dread and one to love...


The mount ridden to bed almost certainly refers to Drogo. The mount to dread could be a dragon, which her enemies will dread, or a person whom Dany will come to dread (perhaps Daario?). Quite a few readers think the mount ridden to love will be Dany falling in love with Jon, but this is no more than conjecture.


...three treasons will you know...once for blood and once for gold and once for love...


The treason for blood is most likely Mirri Maz Duur betraying Dany and killing her child. Some readers think Jorah’s betrayal of Dany could be the treason for gold or love. However, Jorah accepted no gold for his treason. He did betray her for love of his home, but this seems to be stretching it a bit much, and it goes out of order. Thus, Jorah is probably not one of the other two treasons, leaving the matter open for debate.


Viserys screamed as the molten gold ran down his cheeks and into his mouth. A tall lord with copper-gold skin and silvery hair stood beneath the banner of a fiery stallion, a burning city behind him. Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a dying prince, and he sank to his knees in the water and with his last breath murmured a woman’s name...mother of dragons...daughter of death...


The ‘daughter of death’ suggests that these are three important deaths in Dany’s life. The first is Viserys dying; the second is her son Rhaego, and what would have happened if he lived. The third is Rhaegar, being killed by Robert at Ruby Ford.


Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow. A cloth dragon swayed on poles amid a cheering crowd. From a stone tower, a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire...mother of dragons...slayer of lies...


Again, ‘slayer of lies’ implies that these are three fallacies Dany will prove wrong. The first vision shows Stannis (the blue-eyed king with no shadow) holding Lightbringer. This seems to suggest that Dany will prove that Stannis is not Azor Ahai reborn. The second vision is a mummer’s dragon. Dany later tells Jorah that ‘mummer’s use them in follies, to give the hero something to fight.’ (CoK, pg 875) This could mean that a false enemy is being used to give armies something to fight, and Dany will prove this wrong. Perhaps this is the war that Littlefinger seems to be instigating, or one of Illyrio and Varys’s plots. (See “Who Are The Men Arya Saw Plotting Beneath the Red Keep?”). The stone dragon seems to be the dragon that Melisandre wants Stannis to raise; perhaps Dany will prove this a lie as well.


Her silver was trotting through the grass, to a darkling stream beneath a sea of stars. A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright on his dead face, gray lips smiling sadly. A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness...mother of dragons...bride of death...


‘Bride of death.’...are these Dany’s three husbands? The first scene is Dany going to the river where she consummated her marriage with Drogo. The second scene is harder to figure out. It has been suggested that the smiling gray lips mean gray + joy, or Greyjoy. Perhaps Dany will start a romantic relationship with Theon or Euron. The third vision is a blue rose on the Wall. Since Lyanna’s favorite flowers were blue roses, this vision could point to Jon (See “Who Are Jon Snow’s Parents?”), adding to the theory that Dany will fall in love with Jon.


Shadows whirled and danced inside a tent, boneless and terrible.


Mirri Maz Duur calling the shadows to try and revive Drogo.


A little girl ran barefoot toward a big house with a red door.


Dany and her house at Braavos with Willem Darry.


Mirri Maz Duur shrieked in the flames, a dragon bursting from her brow.


Dany burning Mirri Maz Duur alive.


Behind a silver horse the bloody corpse of a man bounced and dragged.


This is what happened to the wineseller who tried to poison Dany.


A white lion ran through grass taller than a man.


It has been suggested that the lion represents Jaime or Tyrion--Jaime, because the lion is white, or Tyrion, because the lion seems so small. However, since all the other scenes in this paragraph come from Dany’s life, it seems likely that this lion is the hrakker that Drogo killed and made a coat for Dany out of.


Beneath the Mother of Mountains, a line of naked crones crept from a great lake and knelt shivering before her, gray heads bowed.


This is when the dosh khaleen proclaimed that Dany was carrying the stallion who mounts the world.


Ten thousand slaves lifted bloodstained hands as she raced by on her silver, riding like the wind. “Mother!” they cried. “Mother, Mother!”


This is Dany’s liberation of the slaves in Yunkai in A Storm of Swords.

2013. máj. 12. 13:54
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Az angol nem az erősségem :D
2013. máj. 14. 15:40
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