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Mit szólsz ehhez a Woodrow Wilson idézethez? (FED)

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"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." — President Woodrow Wilson


1914-ben mondta ezt, miután 1913-ban magánkézbe adta elnökként a pénznyomtatás jogát. FED - Federal Reserve - Amerikai Központi Bank


2011. aug. 29. 17:47
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 1/15 anonim ***** válasza:
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Ebből azért ki vannak hagyva részek.


A pontos:

"A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men who, even if their action be honest and intended for the public interest, are necessarily concentrated upon the great undertakings in which their own money is involved and who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom. This is the greatest question of all, and to this statesmen must address themselves with an earnest determination to serve the long future and the true liberties of men."

2011. aug. 29. 18:01
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Hm. Honnan van a tiéd? Én ezt elég sok helyen olvastam már ( az enyémet)
2011. aug. 29. 18:05
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2011. aug. 29. 18:11
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Igen, azóta megtaláltam, csakhogy a Wikipedia olyan forrást ad meg hozzá, amit csak addig lehet ellenőrizni, hogy: "A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated" Amikor rámész, hogy mutassa tovább, mert ez lenne a perdöntő, akkor kiírja, hogy bocs, de a szerzői , kiadói stb. miatt nem lehet. Hát ez így viszont nem forrás és nem bizonyíték a wikipedia részéről.
2011. aug. 29. 18:15
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There are also 3 possible sources:

One has been proven for the first version: The New Freedom: A Call for the Emancipation of the Generous Energies of a People (New York and Garden City: Doubleday, Page & Company, 1913)

Some sites (pretty believable in my opinion) say Woodrow Wilson said version 2 (and some version 3) in 1916, three years after the passing of the Federal Reserve Act.

National Economy and the Banking System, Senate Documents, Col. 3 No. 23 (Owen, Robert L., 1939), which is said to contain version 2 and (by some sites) version 3 of the quote, possibly (in my opinion) from 1916.


Azért nem olyan lezajloptt vita ez. Kicsit jobban utánanézek.

2011. aug. 29. 18:19
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És tessék, itt az archívum, el lehet olvasni saját szemmel, nekem van igazam:


[link]

2011. aug. 29. 18:29
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Ha tényleg ezt mondta, nagyon jól látta.
2011. aug. 29. 18:41
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"És tessék, itt az archívum"


Az ott a fent említett Owen-könyv.


Wilson ezt írja:


"(...) However it has come about, it is more important still that the control of credit also has become dangerously centralized. It is the mere truth to say that the financial resources of the country are not at the command of those who do not submit to the direction and domination of small groups of capitalists who wish to keep the economic development of the country under their own eye and guidance. The great monopoly in this country is the monopoly of big credits. So long as that exists, our old variety and freedom and individual energy of development are out of the question. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men who, even if their action be honest and intended for the public interest, are necessarily concentrated upon the great undertakings in which their own money is involved and who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom. This is the greatest question of all, and to this statesmen must address themselves with an earnest determination to serve the long future and the true liberties of men.


This money trust, or, as it should be more properly called, this credit trust, of which Congress has begun an investigation, is no myth; it is no imaginary thing. It is not an ordinary trust like another. It doesn't do business every day. It does business only when there is occasion to do business. You can sometimes do something large when it isn't watching, but when it is watching, you can't do much. And I have seen men squeezed by it; I have seen men who, as they themselves expressed it, were put "out of business by Wall Street," because Wall Street found them inconvenient and didn't want their competition.


Let me say again that I am not impugning the motives of the men in Wall Street. They may think that that is the best way to create prosperity for the country. When you have got the market in your hand, does honesty oblige you to turn the palm upside down and empty it? If you have got the market in your hand and believe that you understand the interest of the country better than anybody else, is it patriotic to let it go? I can imagine them using this argument to themselves.


The dominating danger in this land is not the existence of great individual combinations,—that is dangerous enough in all conscience,—but the combination of the combinations,—of the railways, the manufacturing enterprises, the great mining projects, the great enterprises for the development of the natural water-powers of the country, threaded together in the personnel of a series of boards of directors into a "community of interest" more formidable than any conceivable single combination that dare appear in the open.


The organization of business has become more centralized, vastly more centralized, than the political organization of the country itself. Corporations have come to cover greater areas than states; have come to live under a greater variety of laws than the citizen himself, have excelled states in their budgets and loomed bigger than whole commonwealths in their influence over the lives and fortunes of entire communities of men. Centralized business has built up vast structures of organization and equipment which overtop all states and seem to have no match or competitor except the federal government itself. (...)"


Semmiféle összeesküvéselméletet nem támaszt alá, nem is kifejezetten a Fedről szól ez a szöveg, hanem az üzleti elit hatalmáról általában. Wilson konklúziója az, hogy a nagy monopóliumok veszélyeztetik a gazdasági szabadságot, ezért szét kell törni őket.


Wilson idején született meg a nevezetes trösztellenes törvény:

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2011. aug. 29. 18:47
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Nem, Wilson nem azt írja, te kit szerettél volna átverni ezzel? Ott van fent, még be is címkéztem, ahol kezdődik az idézet. Ezt a másik szöveget nemtudom honnan szedted, a wikipedia pedig ezek után tényleg nagyon frankó forrás lehet.


A hivatalos dokumentumok szerint (KATTINTS RÁ A LINKRE) az én idézetem a helyes.

2011. aug. 29. 19:24
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Egyébként pedig azután vezette be a trösztellenes törvényt, miután már garantálta a bankárok monopóliumait 1913-ban.
2011. aug. 29. 19:25
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